Shia LaBeouf Out of TF4. Ehren Kruger is Writing.

[Albershide]

DreamWorks President of Production Adam Goodman made only a two sentence update on TF4 but it was enough to shed some light on two of the more important aspects of the movie - Story and Male Lead.


THR: Is making Transformers 4 without Shia LaBeouf risky? Is he out?

Goodman: The story is going in a different direction now. Ehren Kruger [who wrote the past two Transformers movies] is writing it for us, and we're starting to engage, but I can't say anything more.



Honestly I'm happy that we'll get a fresh cast and I was really hoping that they would change the writer too. After all that's the easiest way if you want to go in a different direction. And don't get me wrong I love Shia (his performance in the 2007 movie was outstanding) and Ehren, just wanted to see a different take on the story.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/top-gun-tom-cruise-adam-goodman-transformers-shia-labeouf-315801

[sora]

Looking forward to Ehren's new take on the direction. Hope to see even more thick/emotional storyline and plot twists. :)

[starscream1017]

yeah i wanted new cast and new writers as well.. dotm looked amazing, but story was lame, we have seen it before. this guy is also writing for spiderman 2.

[i-MAN]

Call me a shia fan, personal let down for me. i Will get over it.
Not happy with the writer, agreed dotm was boring.
New fresh blood is needed in the writers department

[Albershide]

this guy is also writing for spiderman 2.

Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman (TF 2007, ROTF) are writing Spiderman 2 not Ehren Kruger (ROTF, DOTM). I think Ehren is a great writer. I love Arlington Road, The Ring and The Skeleton Key. Very clever stories but a change is always welcome. :)


Call me a shia fan, personal let down for me.

I recently watched TF 2007 and I think Shia's performance there is award winning. I can't imagine the first movie without him. Still I think his performance degraded in the sequels and the change was needed especially for him.

[Bayhem]

A lot of "love" on this thread, huh?

I'm curious, what kind of story do you folks want in a "Transformers" movie? What kind of "script" do you expect? I've seen a lot of complaints about the script and the story in all three films...and no one actually said what was so "bad" about them. And no, it's not the humor. The humor is part of the script, it's not the entire script.


It's hilarious how many people complain about the story and the script of the "Transformers" films, yet no one says anything about the script or the story of...for example, "The Expendables". The defense is that "The Expendables" is an action movie where badass action stars kick butt. And no one cares about the story or the script.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked the "Transformers" films are also action films and they certainly don't pretend to be more than that. So why the double standard? Why "The Expendables" gets a pass and "Transformers" is constantly criticized in that area? And most importantly, why the "script critics" demand so much from the story, while at the same time they keep saying that "Transformers" is just about giant action and giant robots beating the crap out of each other? Make up your minds, folks.


So...if someone can actually explain that "double standard" to me, I'd be grateful.


P.S. In my view, Kruger did a good job in "Dark of the Moon". The story was engaging enough and I liked the twist with Sentinel. If that means that I have a bad taste, then so be it.

[Xsubs]

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked the "Transformers" films are also action films and they certainly don't pretend to be more than that. So why the double standard? Why "The Expendables" gets a pass and "Transformers" is constantly criticized in that area? And most importantly, why the "script critics" demand so much from the story, while at the same time they keep saying that "Transformers" is just about giant action and giant robots beating the crap out of each other? Make up your minds, folks.


Considering transformers is a well established franchise, surely people have high expectations for a live action movie; and that means a good balance of story, good action and good character development.
The expectation for expendables was just action (as you would expect from a movie filled with just action movie stars.)

A movie is pointless if its just action. Incorporating some sort of theme to TF would be good.

[Bayhem]

Considering transformers is a well established franchise, surely people have high expectations for a live action movie; and that means a good balance of story, good action and good character development.


We have to keep in mind that this is a franchise based on toys and cartoons. It's not as dark and realistic as "Batman" so let's not take it so seriously. Also, it's a franchise of summer movies - movies that are made to entertain first and foremost the ordinary viewer. And so far I haven't heard an ordinary viewer screaming after a screening: "Along with the action I wanted to see good character development and a good script in "Dark of the Moon". I didn't get that and that's why this movie sucks!"



The expectation for expendables was just action (as you would expect from a movie filled with just action movie stars.)


And what are the expectations for a movie called "Transformers"? A movie that relies heavily on action, CGI and giant transforming metal things destroying everything. I think the expectations are exactly the same - people (or at least most people) want good action sequences, story that's easy to follow, humor and cool characters. When it comes to summer blockbuster films, that's all that I, personally, need.




A movie is pointless if its just action.


There's no such thing as a movie with nothing but action. Every movie has a plot and it's up to the individual to decide whether it's a good plot or not. Look at "Predator" for example. It's non-stop action and the human characters are absolutely typical military tough guys. Do you see deep character development in that film? Or "awesome" plot?

The answer is no. It's all pretty simple and easy to follow. But that doesn't mean that the movie is worthless.


It's pretty much the same with "Transformers". And think about it - why are they keeping Kruger as a screenwriter? If he sucks at his job, why are Bay and Spielberg still relying on him?


In this case, "more than meets the eye" comes to mind. If you know what I mean...

[Universal Kalle]

Spider-Man 2? That was released years ago and neither Kruger, Kurtzman or Orci are credited for the script. Or are you hipsters calling the reboot Spider-Man 2? Or are they already talking The Amazing Spider-Man 2, even before the first has been released?

I think the scripts for all three movies were good, with the first being the best and RotF the worst. Sure there were a few plotholes here and there and some things just didn't make any sense but overall I think they were good.

For TF4 I'd like something smaller. Something about discovery. Unveiling the origins of the Allspark or something else in ancient Cybertronian history. In short I'd like more mythos. What makes the Cybertronians tick? We touched very very briefly on that in the first movie with "self-regenerating molecular based armour". Back when Brawl just wouldn't die. He took a hell of a beating but a minute later he was back in the fight. I want more of that. In the later movies they're just to easy to kill. And explore what Energon is and how they replenish it, as they're bound to be running low about now.
What I don't want is for the end to be another fight for the future of Earth, we've had three of those already. Possibly lead up to a huge-ass all hands on deck battle of all battles in TF6.

[Universal Kalle]

We have to keep in mind that this is a franchise based on toys and cartoons. It's not as dark and realistic as "Batman" so let's not take it so seriously.

Go read the old comics penned by Simon Furman. After the cartoon stopped airing the comics turned pretty dark, mature and at times bloody brutal. And in this readers humble opinion they were fracking amazing in depth and character development.

[Bayhem]

After the cartoon stopped airing the comics turned pretty dark, mature and at times bloody brutal. And in this readers humble opinion they were fracking amazing in depth and character development.


The live-action movies, are they based on these comics? Did Bay mention that he's inspired by these comics?

No, I don't think so. The tone of that franchise is already established and it's clearly working. By the way, not every movie needs to be dark and gritty in order to be "cool".

[Universal Kalle]

Are the live-action movies based on these comics? Did Bay mention that he's inspired by these comics?

No, I don't think so. The tone of that franchise is already established and it's clearly working. By the way, not every movie needs to be dark and gritty in order to be "cool".

No one said everything needs to be dark. I was mearly pointing out that the comics weren't happy-fun-time-for-the-little-kiddies so they could whine at their parents for a new toy. Considering that The Fallen never appeared in the cartoon and was invented pretty recently in the comics, I'd say Mr Bay and Co are looking at those.

[swishbig]

I'm happy that there is going to be a new cast but to be honest, I am disappointed that Ehren is returning as the writer. Not saying that I don't like his work I just thought it would be reasonable to get someone new to write the story this time around.

[Mr.Gabba]

I thought Kruger did a good job on DOTM. I think it's the most solid and "Transformery" (is that a word?) of the three films.

Also, I believe that these movies are "based on Habro's Transformers toys". Not just G1 but off of all incarnations I would believe. So it's going to be very hard to please all Transformers fans especially if one's more a fan of the comics or Beast Wars or the g1 cartoon, or even just a follower of the toy tech specs.

All they can do is to try their best. And maybe this new direction will be a more "character" driven direction.

[MitP]

Ehren Kruger is clearly a TF fan. (G1 nerds will notice all sorts of plot elements from the original cartoon woven into DARK OF THE MOON.)

Personally, I'm keeping my fingers crossed he'll incorporate Unicron and/or Grimlock into the story this time. I just don't see how Michael could sign off from the franchise on a bigger note than using Unicron himself as the final villain.

[Albershide]

Spider-Man 2? That was released years ago and neither Kruger, Kurtzman or Orci are credited for the script. Or are you hipsters calling the reboot Spider-Man 2? Or are they already talking The Amazing Spider-Man 2, even before the first has been released?

Yeah, we're talking about The Amazing Spider-Man 2:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Amazing-Spider-Man-2-Hires-Alex-Kurtzman-Roberto-Orci-Write-Script-30594.html


On topic:
I think the stories of the 3 TF movies are pretty solid for such type of movie. But there is a certain pattern that has been repeated in all three movies. I want that to change.

[starscream1017]

i just want a story that i have not seen before.. thats it. a new story..

cybertron coming to earth has been done before.. twice that i have seen- in G1 and Animated.. maybe more- i havn't seen the japanese stuff.. which is why i found the story boring..

as long as he comes up with something original.. im fine with it.

[eagc7]

As the guy knows alot of the mythology i have faith in him, but just bring back Megatron

[Honeykitt]

Glad to hear that Ehren Kruger is involved in the writing of the script. And honestly I'm glad Shia is not coming back. Although he had some good moments in the films I mostly found him and his character annoying.

[Bot of Badassness]

Ok, I didn't want Kruger to return, but since he is, I think it would still be a good idea for him to have a partner to write alongside him, to help keep the writing a little more fresh.

[saberrider]

Its a big mistake to bring back Ehren Kruger as a writer for TF4,don't everyone notice that the story and fight scene are mess since this poor writer join the franchise in TF2 & TF3,his idea is really poor and no imagination at all,we need a solid script like TF1, or maybe find someone talented etc like James Cameron to write the script,we need powerful villain and not the lousy Decepticons Protoform Soldier!!!Please note this seriously..I beg you Michael Bay, cause you are the greatest action director in the world right now,just don't ruin it with Ehren Kruger Script,I rather you find the writer who wrote "The rock" & "Bad Boys 2"...

[Matthew62]

Tf4 could be humans make a space shuttle using tf technology to find other planets with life now finding the planet its unicron disguised with many of the cool unseen decepticons ,relizing from video footage they are building an army, optimus and the other bots search the galaxy for other autobots to kill all the other guys. Now bring in the rest of the wreckers dinobots and make 1.5 billion $ because of all the awesome action

[almostthethird15]

Right now its just to the point of, just let the dang Transformers talk more, and the movie will automatically be that much better. like, its not hard. its not like its an "easier said than done" kind of thing. No... its a, just freaking do it and stop beating around the bush, kind of thing. nothing hard about it.

Why was TF1 so much better? It was better because the bots were treated as actual characters. Once they showed up, the humans and them were in it together. Their personalities were fleshed out. The bots were shone as lovable characters, the whole scene with them in Sam's backyard was heartwarming. We learned about them, got to know them, and when we saw em in action it was just that much greater.

Cut to RoTF, and DoTM. The bots are backgrounds. any talking from them, which is incredibly minimal, is always serious bad ass talk. where did that friendship go that we experienced in TF1 between the bots and humans go? Humans talk amongst themselves, and the bots talk amongst themselves. i dont see any normal conversations between the two other than combat related stuff. Simply, the heart is gone. The bots are weapons of destruction and nothing more in these films.

Im glad Sams gone. Good, nothing left for him to do. He was getting more and more loud and obnoxious as the films progressed. As for the writer, i really hope him and bay listen to us. humans are fine, but it has to at least be balanced as we saw in TF1. i dont know, if they would just focus on the bots a bit more, things would be so much better. Transformers 2 and 3 feel like two completely different movies. 75% being humans and their troubles, other 25% being the humans and their "transformers troubles" with the bots standing in the back.

[Crainy]

First of all, I always freaking cringe when people say stuff like "story" or something like that. Its the first indication that the one talking has no idea what hes talking about.

Both TF1 and DOTM had great scripts, expecially outstanding for action movies. They conveyed alot of emotions and brought across themes that other movies wouldnt dare to get across, even though most people dont notice these themes, either because they are focused too much on hating or are just too much in awe because of the absolutely stunning presentation. Additionally to that, these themes are very subtle, but once you notice them, you cant deny that they are present and bound to these movies very cores.

However, with that said, I do also want a new take on the Transformers franchise. We dont need another Transformers full-scale action movie. We had that 3 times already and to be honest, its getting repetitive. Have something different, have the Transformers talk more instead of fight. Have them battle out things in words instead with their fists. Instead of focusing on the fights more and more, focus on the more wonderous aspects of the Transformers that were already touched upon in the other 3 movies.

Oh, and im a big Shia fan too and loved him in all 3 movies, but I still like it that hes gone.

[Bot of Badassness]

Have something different, have the Transformers talk more instead of fight. Have them battle out things in words instead with their fists.

Remember, it will still be a Bay film, but I don agree with you. I really liked how there was no action (save Chernobyl) in the first hour of DOTM, it made the Highway Battle that much more exciting when it came along. I'll be happy if that is done again.

And of coarse, there will be a climax around 30 minutes long, which is where Bay can put most of his action focus.

[Crainy]

No action in the first hour of DOTM? What about Laserbeak?

[Xsubs]

Just saw Avengers. Wow, what a great and entertaining film! The movie was very character focused and had a good combination of action sequences. Although the story is very basic, the the character development between the main characters really pull you into the movie. If the next Transformers movies can achieve a bit more character focus on the robots, then i personally think that's another +1 for the film.

[Bayhem]

The movie was very character focused and had a good combination of action sequences. Although the story is very basic, the the character development between the main characters really pull you into the movie.


There's a huge difference between "character development" and "character interaction". I also saw "The Avengers" and I agree that it's a fun movie, but I would never call it a character driven/focused piece. Because it's not. Movies like "Transformers", "Pirates" and "The Avengers" rely mainly on character interactions. I'm sure we all know what that means and it would be a mistake to confuse it with "character development". Truth is, "The Avengers" is a classic example of a big-budget summer action movie - you go in and you have some fun with the interactions between the characters and you enjoy the humor and the action sequences.

"Character development" is the last thing you'll find in that movie. I can give you concrete examples and scenes, but I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it.

[Albershide]

By the way Adam Goodman's statement actually revealed another casting news - no Rosie Huntington-Whiteley in TF4 either. (No Sam = No Carly) :)

[Crainy]

There's a huge difference between "character development" and "character interaction". I also saw "The Avengers" and I agree that it's a fun movie, but I would never call it a character driven/focused piece. Because it's not. Movies like "Transformers", "Pirates" and "The Avengers" rely mainly on character interactions. I'm sure we all know what that means and it would be a mistake to confuse it with "character development". Truth is, "The Avengers" is a classic example of a big-budget summer action movie - you go in and you have some fun with the interactions between the characters and you enjoy the humor and the action sequences.

"Character development" is the last thing you'll find in that movie. I can give you concrete examples and scenes, but I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it.

Smooth explanation.

[Xsubs]

There's a huge difference between "character development" and "character interaction". I also saw "The Avengers" and I agree that it's a fun movie, but I would never call it a character driven/focused piece. Because it's not. Movies like "Transformers", "Pirates" and "The Avengers" rely mainly on character interactions. I'm sure we all know what that means and it would be a mistake to confuse it with "character development". Truth is, "The Avengers" is a classic example of a big-budget summer action movie - you go in and you have some fun with the interactions between the characters and you enjoy the humor and the action sequences.

"Character development" is the last thing you'll find in that movie. I can give you concrete examples and scenes, but I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it.

You made some very good points. I agree that those scenes (Without trying to spoil anything to people who haven't seen it) were more along the lines of "character interaction" rather than "character development", but its these little 'interactions' in these scenes that help advance the characters relationships, and as the film progresses, you get to see the characters coming together, therefore they 'develop' in a way. And its because of these interactions that we get to understand more of the character.

[horizon]

Alas, to Bayhem at page 1 and in general:

TF2007 had a cool & good story.
RotF got jobbered all over the place, it had nice elements but overall it lacked
DoTM had a decent to good story build up, some minor glitches but nothing to bad storywise.

Now, the main issue many have is that, in RotF the most, followed by DOTM, there were to many American Army vs Generic Decepticons moments in the movie. People want more Autobots vs Decepticon; and not generic bots but named 'Cons.

And yes, TF, Avengers ain't movies for character development. ;)

[Bayhem]

Now, the main issue many have is that, in RotF the most, followed by DOTM, there were to many American Army vs Generic Decepticons moments in the movie.


I see your point but.......people want bigger, more epic battles, right?

Well, to have these battles you have to include a lot of other generic robots and the humans should act against them (after all, we're on Earth). You can't achieve that grand "end of the world epic-ness" with only 4 or 5 main robots fighting and Shia hiding all the time. You have to make it really massive in order to satisfy the audience. Also, the military is an important part of that franchise and I'm glad that Bay relies on them. Makes the movies more realistic and effective. And speaking for myself, I will never watch a "Transformers" movie if there are only robots on the screen and the humans are secondary characters. After all, I am human and I can connect better with the human characters. And that's why Spielberg was interested in making/producing "Transformers" - it's the human story, a story about a boy and his car. And everything is seen through the eyes of Sam Witwicky and the people around him. Personally, I see nothing wrong with that. ( yes, I'm aware that the franchise is called "Transformers", but we have to keep in mind that it's made by humans for humans :) ).

By the way, when you think about it you'll realize that the "generic bad guys" have always been an important part of the action genre. And to have a great action scene, you have to have a lot of generic characters - robots, humans, aliens, doesn't matter. You see them in pretty much every big-budget action movie.

[Crainy]

Am I the only one who thinks that the TF movies had some decent to great character development on Optimus Prime and Sam? Atleast far superior to what most other Blockbuster movies give us today.

Oh, and I never really got the "generic bad guy" complaint either. Its part of every action movie. The bigger problem would be then that some of the main robots do not get enough attention.

[alexsm]

I'm going to say that there was character development in Revenge of the Fallen. More or less at the same level as the first TF, and a lot more than in Dark of the Moon. In ROTF we have one character developed, Sam (same as in the first TF), while in DOTM there's none. All the story revolves around him, his journey and his evolution, and follows pretty well the classic "hero's journey" scheme. Doesn't follow the 17 classic stages, and doesn't keep the exact order, but it does follow most of them.

I think that, despite the writers' strike, ROTF was better written than DOTM.

But I must be also the only one who thinks ROTF is on par with Transformers (or maybe even better - if it wasn't so clearly unfinished...), and better than DOTM.

[almostthethird15]

I'm going to say that there was character development in Revenge of the Fallen. More or less at the same level as the first TF, and a lot more than in Dark of the Moon. In ROTF we have one character developed, Sam (same as in the first TF), while in DOTM there's none. All the story revolves around him, his journey and his evolution, and follows pretty well the classic "hero's journey" scheme. Doesn't follow the 17 classic stages, and doesn't keep the exact order, but it does follow most of them.

RotF definately had character development, but it was development for the wrong kinds of characters. All the bots that got the longest of dialogue were the most silliest (Skids, Mudflap, Jetfire, and Wheelie). If you think back on it, they all took up quite a bit of speakin. they definately got their time to shine. While the humor of the bots is far more tolerable than that of the humans, it kinda sucks that out of all the bots, RotF focused all its time on the comedy club members of cybertron. Another incredibly silly character that got waaaay more development than he ever deserved was Leo, who was the worst thing about the entire movie.... all i can say is that i wanted him to die. But yea, sam got alot of development, more than i hoped for, so im glad his time is done.

[Bayhem]

But I must be also the only one who thinks ROTF is on par with Transformers...


Well, clearly you're not the only one:

"According to Paramount’s exit polls, 91 percent of the audience thought the sequel ("Revenge of the Fallen") was as good as or better than the first “Transformers”.

[i-MAN]

I think that, despite the writers' strike, ROTF was better written than DOTM.

But I must be also the only one who thinks ROTF is on par with Transformers (or maybe even better - if it wasn't so clearly unfinished...), and better than DOTM.

I got your back !, Me2 , in the end credits of DOTM i felt unsatisfied,i am still in love with the awesome roller-coaster movie ride that is called transformers revenge of the fallen ! :)

[alexsm]

RotF definately had character development, but it was development for the wrong kinds of characters. All the bots that got the longest of dialogue were the most silliest (Skids, Mudflap, Jetfire, and Wheelie). If you think back on it, they all took up quite a bit of speakin. they definately got their time to shine. While the humor of the bots is far more tolerable than that of the humans, it kinda sucks that out of all the bots, RotF focused all its time on the comedy club members of cybertron. Another incredibly silly character that got waaaay more development than he ever deserved was Leo, who was the worst thing about the entire movie.... all i can say is that i wanted him to die. But yea, sam got alot of development, more than i hoped for, so im glad his time is done.

Well, I don't agree. The development went for the right character: Sam. And he is the only developed one. Skids, Mudflap, Jetfire and Wheelie don't have any kind of development. Their characters have no progression. The same goes for Optimus, Bumblebee, Mikaela or anyone else. Because ROTF, while having lots of characters, is really a one-man-show. The whole story is about Sam's inner journey from from "little man" to "hero", from "normal" to "special" and from "whiny" to "strong".

I'll say that there was only one bot more or less developed in the whole saga: Megatron. His evolution from almighty evil, to weaker enemy, to tired and defeated general is nice. Should have more screen time in the last one. Optimus also changed, but his change wasn't smooth and wasn't well explained on screen. Maybe if the last movie had a bigger focus in the Autobots-go-home plot (as seemed in the early shooting) his "I'm staying no matter what you say and save the day at any cost no matter what you say" attitude would work better. But I guess this has something to do with the removal of the twins. I bet that part of the plot was their part.

Also, I liked more the focus on comic relief and naive attitude of ROTF over the gritty and harsh feeling of DOTM. And I think the dramatic moments of ROTF (Optimus death, Matrix vanishes and vision of the primes) work better than any dramatic moment in DOTM. IMO ROTF flaws are details (sure, lots of details, but details at the end) and DOTM flaws are deeper. Still don't understand why all the critics were so harsh with that movie and said nonsense like "it doesn't have a real plot" or "the story is incomprehensible" (crap, is really easy).

I still remember Bay saying in this forum that Spielberg thought ROTF was best Bay movie ever after seeing the first cut. Don't know how different that cut was from the final cut, because of all the movie production difficulties (I bet there were less bad jokes and a few more sequences matching things), but I can understand why he could say that. ROTF is very "Full Metal Amblin", but for teens instead of kids.

[Crainy]

Well, I don't agree. The development went for the right character: Sam. And he is the only developed one. Skids, Mudflap, Jetfire and Wheelie don't have any kind of development. Their characters have no progression. The same goes for Optimus, Bumblebee, Mikaela or anyone else. Because ROTF, while having lots of characters, is really a one-man-show. The whole story is about Sam's inner journey from from "little man" to "hero", from "normal" to "special" and from "whiny" to "strong".

I'll say that there was only one bot more or less developed in the whole saga: Megatron. His evolution from almighty evil, to weaker enemy, to tired and defeated general is nice. Should have more screen time in the last one. Optimus also changed, but his change wasn't smooth and wasn't well explained on screen. Maybe if the last movie had a bigger focus in the Autobots-go-home plot (as seemed in the early shooting) his "I'm staying no matter what you say and save the day at any cost no matter what you say" attitude would work better. But I guess this has something to do with the removal of the twins. I bet that part of the plot was their part.

Also, I liked more the focus on comic relief and naive attitude of ROTF over the gritty and harsh feeling of DOTM. And I think the dramatic moments of ROTF (Optimus death, Matrix vanishes and vision of the primes) work better than any dramatic moment in DOTM. IMO ROTF flaws are details (sure, lots of details, but details at the end) and DOTM flaws are deeper. Still don't understand why all the critics were so harsh with that movie and said nonsense like "it doesn't have a real plot" or "the story is incomprehensible" (crap, is really easy).

I still remember Bay saying in this forum that Spielberg thought ROTF was best Bay movie ever after seeing the first cut. Don't know how different that cut was from the final cut, because of all the movie production difficulties (I bet there were less bad jokes and a few more sequences matching things), but I can understand why he could say that. ROTF is very "Full Metal Amblin", but for teens instead of kids.

I disagree, Optimus Prime has the most character development along with Sam. Its just rather subtle and not so in your face, but definately there.

[saberrider]

Please change a writer

[saberrider]

ya..you were totally right,Mr horizon,there were too many American Army vs Generic Decepticons moments in DOTM. People want more Autobots vs Decepticon; and not generic bots but named 'Cons and the poor decepticons aircraft, I rather think they use the budget for some decepticons character etc like Thundercracker and Motormaster.Be honest DOTM just got 6 decepticons show up and there are Sentinel,Starcream,Megatron,Shockwave,Soundwave & Dweller only..(Other like Brawl,Barricade etc not count cause they didn't even show up more than 20 seconds)..Mr Bay, please show around 10 True Decepticons in the cartooon series and not protoform soldier, bring us all the character development and make them awesome and invincible...if can bring in combiner(not like Devastator crap in ROTF), every fans wants to see that, I can guarantee..

[kwiknip]

Tf4 could be humans make a space shuttle using tf technology to find other planets with life now finding the planet its unicron disguised with many of the cool unseen decepticons ,relizing from video footage they are building an army, optimus and the other bots search the galaxy for other autobots to kill all the other guys. Now bring in the rest of the wreckers dinobots and make 1.5 billion $ because of all the awesome action

Got my attention & AMEN to that, anythings possible with good imagination! I'd humbly suggest Michael Bay, Ehren Kruger, & whoever else directly involved with development of TF4 put their age differences aside and actually play with the toys while acting out the script; sometimes the simplest interactions between characters can make all the difference (I know this may be an uber stretch on their egos however). I'd also wish they'd consider using MoCap or something when acting out their scenes. I can visualize them trying several scenarios on the fly using the actual voice actors as a stand in for each bot, then ILM/Digital Domain could replace the MoCap actor/actress with the rendered bot. Hmmmm.

[swishbig]

Please change a writer


^^^This^^^

[Xsubs]

Please change a writer

Agree +1. I want more character interaction between the robots. Let us understand the robot characters a little more. Give them depth.

[Matthew62]

I like the avengers more cause it made sense. In tf first they came to the earth for the allspark then coincedently there was a big machine built under the pyramids with the primes buried with the matrix. Then in dotm it was planned from the beginning for megatron to meet with sentinal how could this happen if he was in ice for thousands of years according to tf1. Like make up ur dam mind already!

[Bot of Badassness]

I like the avengers more cause it made sense. In tf first they came to the earth for the allspark then coincedently there was a big machine built under the pyramids with the primes buried with the matrix. Then in dotm it was planned from the beginning for megatron to meet with sentinal how could this happen if he was in ice for thousands of years according to tf1. Like make up ur dam mind already!

We'll see how the plot devices play out in the Avengers sequels.

[Ultra Magnus]

I'm glad that Kruger is back for Transformers 4 - it'll give some consistency in terms of 'tone' or 'feel', even if the movie is meant to give a 'different perspective'. I think he did well enough with DotM.

[metsuke]

The main problem I found in DOTM is "we were expecting too much, due to not much information but clues everywhere" I hope we will have more info this time... like in ROTF when just list of names like "Devastator" were revealed and art work everywhere, I remember having a Devastator as my desktop background (then DOTM came like a top secret project... I didn't like that part as a fan).

Aside that, DOTM is one of the best movies ever done.

[Flyingheart]

The main problem I found in DOTM is "we were expecting too much, due to not much information but clues everywhere" I hope we will have more info this time... like in ROTF when just list of names like "Devastator" were revealed and art work everywhere, I remember having a Devastator as my desktop background (then DOTM came like a top secret project... I didn't like that part as a fan).

Aside that, DOTM is one of the best movies ever done.

I have to disagree with you on that, TF2 gave away to much but still had enough scenes to surprise me and entertain me.
The Dark Knight also didn't give away to much therefor didn't know what to expect and turned out to be a great movie and movie experience for everyone.

I think this is à personal issue for everyone, some people start to fantasize to much and create a to beautiful picture in their heads.. I really don't try to imagine anything or create any homes for certain things to happen in the movie cause i know when i do that the movie is gonna suck for me in a certain way.

[Flyingheart]

I really hope Ehren can pull this off.. i hope he has a crazy filled head with awesome ideas for this movie..

[swishbig]

I really hope Ehren can pull this off.. i hope he has a crazy filled head with awesome ideas for this movie..

I hope so too, but if there is a chance to get a new writer please take it!

[Bot of Badassness]

I hope so too, but if there is a chance to get a new writer please take it!Or at least another. I don't think one writer is enough.

[UltraPrime]

I'm happy he's out and a new cast is coming in. This movie made Shia bigger and his head got to big for him from what I heard.